IN CONVERSATION WITH: Michelle Payne on AiTopia


AiTopia is the inaugural production from The Collective, a new theatre company formed by 50 multidisciplinary artists from Lambeth and Southwark through the Young Vic’s Taking Part program. Directed by Michelle Payne, this world premiere explores a self-governing community where an AI-driven afterlife promises peace but unveils hidden costs as families grapple with grief and humanity. A Youngish Perspective holds this exclusive dialogue with the director Michelle Payne.


What inspired the concept of AiTopia 

AiTopia was a concept fully realised firstly by our writing team of 11 participants. We actually started with a concept pitched by our sound & lighting team about a community under surveillance and quickly the writers realised a dystopian future was the perfect way to tell this story. We wanted to feature a community with the best intentions and wanting to use technology for good, getting it wrong and then explore how they cope with the aftermath.

How did you approach creating a dystopian world exploring technology’s impact on human relationships?

We did quite a lot of research with different teams researching different areas. This is the great thing in having so many participants, we could divide research up to get more information in the time we had. A great example is sound & light team focused on what technology sounds like and the light it emits. The writers created a list of rules for the world based on their themes in their doors and ensure the world was as cohesive as possible. The actors were also given research tasks for their characters as we moved into the rehearsal period. We explore grief, bereavement, child loss, suicide, class/socio-economic issues all alongside the day to day addition of AI technology.

The Collective is described as a company pioneering new models of theatre-making. Could you share how the collaborative process influenced the development of AiTopia?

To be honest, we didn’t really know what the process of the collective would actually look like at point of recruitment. We did know however that we need it to be about the personalities coming together to make the project and recruited our participants with this in mind. We only then knew it should be led with patience and kindness on all sides and we needed to communicate how these values were to be upheld throughout.

It was scary as a director to let things play out in real time to see where someone else’s ideas might go. It was liberating when this paid off and I was able to advise further, hone and finesse! 

I really do see a piece of everyone involved in this production and I’m so grateful to the generosity and creativity of our participants and the wider professional team.

How does AiTopia reflect the current conversations around defunding the police and the role of AI in society?

When the team started writing, AI was becoming very accessible but not as far along as it is now – we know that this technology is learning and progressing every day! 8-months down the line and at show week, this story – that once felt futuristic – is now very present!  As a woman and leading a very diverse team of participants, we naturally have our reasons to want to challenge law and the police force in this country but don’t necessarily have all the answers! We hope our work, political with a small p, is able to address the real world impact on individual characters in their day to day lives and the feelings that we have in our own very real lives. 

The production involves over 50 multidisciplinary artists from Lambeth and Southwark. What has been the most rewarding aspect of working with such a diverse creative team?

I love this group of people! They have challenged myself and Alisha (lead producer) and we are most definitely better leaders and creatives because of them. Every person involved has contributed and thoroughly bought into this world. They’ve jumped into AiTopia with both feet and their whole chest and I will always remember how they made myself and each other feel as we hit show week with an idea they all built from the ground up. Huge thank you to our creative consultants Chris Tendai (movement), Natalie Pryce (set + costume), Matt Greaves (sound + composition), Emma Denis-Edwards & Shereen Jasmine Phillips (dramaturgs), our wonderful stage management mentors Abi Morris & Valentina Cutri, as well as the brilliant in-house Young Vic Team – George, Neil, Cat, Rachel for supporting. 

AiTopia is described as both a thriller and a poignant exploration of grief and humanityll. How did you balance these emotional themes within the narrative?

This was really hard – especially with the contrast of technology and the binary of that. Also the balance of not tipping it into the cliche of human robots or making a terminator style story. We tried our best to keep it rooted as close to our current reality as possible and focused on character moments and hitting really clear images about what gets left behind and what goes onto live forever. 

With AiTopia being the first production from The Collective, what do you hope audiences take away from this experience, and what’s next for the company?

I firstly hope the audience feel proud of this local community and what they’ve achieved. Id like them to remember to cherish the love they have in their life and live with them in the present moment! 

In terms of projects created by The Collective, we might need to be a one hit wonder – it’s definitely time for a well earned rest! I’d predict that next for The Collective is each participant taking what they’ve learned throughout this project back out into the world. I know the skills they’ve gained and improved upon will inform their future contributions to the world, either through their own art or in day to day interactions. 

REVIEW: Chasing Hares

Rating: 4.5 out of 5.

“A beautiful mix of political passion, justice and human nature.”

Chasing Hares expertly captures the ongoing struggle against neo-liberalism and capitalism which stems across time and space. This inspiring story links us all together in a struggle for a world where people matter more than profits. Bhattacharyya’s witty, and blunt script brings to light the atrocities the workforce faced in India in the early 2000’s.

The play starts in modern day Britain with mum and delivery biker Amba (Saroja-Lily Ratnavel) calming down her child by telling the traditional stories of the Indian Jatra and talking with her radical dad Prab about her struggles in the modern gig economy. Prab (Irfan Shamji), spurred on by this, reminisces on when Amba was a baby and they lived in Kolkata relying upon huge factories that couldn’t care less about their workers. In the forefront of the moral dilemma workers had to choose between a livelihood or death. Choosing a livelihood meant waiting outside days on end for shifts, turning a blind eye to child labour and cruelty. In other words put up or shut up.

Prab was a union member who studied Bangladeshi Literature turned machinist in a factory in Kolkata. In his youth he made riveting speeches about rights and communism however with a young baby in the mix, stability took priority and he instead converted his political views into bedtime stories for Amba. This took the form of a tale telling the revolutionary story of Chandri- a heroine who incites revolution against the two evil kings who care more for profits than the animals living on their lands. However, when he is asked to write a play for the local Jatra he cannot express these motives and themes so overtly as it would put his family at risk as the factory owners son Devesh(Scott Karim) works for the Jatra. Throughout the play we see Prab struggle to walk the thin line between acceptable and radical. As the situation in Kolkata is exacerbated, Prab can no longer ignore his gut and moral compass.

Sonali Bhattacharyya does a wonderful job of exploring different characters thoughts and feelings on the crisis they are living through. Whilst Brap is a revolutionary through and through who can’t help but act. His wife Kajol(Zainab Hasan) is a beautifully written character that shows how priorities change even as morals stay the same. Kajol whilst a dreamer in her youth now does what she can to help her neighbours by bringing over food and medicine and picking up other people’s sewing even after a 12-hour shift, in order to ensure the community pulls through. However with the birth of her daughter Ambar she is unwilling to actively revolt against the factory or Devesh, especially as she finds herself going up in the world due to her husband’s new connection to Devesh. This shows how even the strongest of fighters mould to situations when they are beaten down and have people to look after. Bhattacharyya dramatizes people’s history, putting typically obscured characters as centre stage allowing us to imagine different ways of life.

Another thing I have to mention in Ayesha Dhaker’s portrayal of Chellam in this production- with her biting humour and quick wit, she provides some comedic relief to the story whilst standing up to Devesh.

Overall, this play is an empowering and thought provoking piece that cleverly uses theatre within the piece to show how people when working together are a force to be reckoned with. Without giving too much away – the ending is bittersweet and feel-good as we watch Amba follow in her father’s footsteps and fight for what is right by bringing people together with an idea voiced out loud.

Sonali Bhattacharyya shows us how the struggles of the factory workers in India in the early 2000’s are the same struggles that delivery bikers face today, just as Chandi faced them in Prab’s revolutionary and thought-provoking play. As Amba so aptly said, if we work together for what is right we could bring down the tower rather than chasing hares individually. It is no wonder this play won Theatre Uncut’s Political Playwriting Award in 2021.

If you are on the mood for a politically thought-provoking piece that beautifully draws from traditional Indian Folktale then I highly recommend going to see this play.

Chasing Hares is a Young Vic and Theatre Uncut production playing at the Young Vic until the 13th August.