In Conversation with Lucy Glover and Lucy Bennett 

We sat down with Lucy Glover who is Executive Producer and Lucy Bennett who is Co-Artistic Director of StopGap Dance Company. Lived Fiction from Stopgap Dance Company will be playing at The Brighton Festival on 14th May, Southbank Centre as part of the Unlimited festival on 4th September, The Lowry Salford on 17th October and DanceEast Ipswich on 15th November. For more info go to www.stopgapdance.com.

How did Lived Fiction come about?

    Stopgap Dance Company is a group of Deaf, Disabled, non disabled and Neurodivergent artists who like to break with tradition when it comes to making choreography. 

    We realised that although our company thought a lot about access for Disabled performers working with us or experiencing our practical workshops we had not always put enough money aside to incorporate access for our audiences. Access such as captions and audio description are often tagged at the last minute to productions. We wanted to create a dance production that embedded access creatively into the choreography and artistic elements, such as music, script, lights and projections. 

    We hope that we will create a shared experience for everyone because experiencing emotions together is what connects us as human beings. 

    Tell us about the research that Lived Fiction has been part of?

    We were part of a larger project that was researching EU law and Disabled people’s right to cultural activities. The funding enabled us to set up focus groups to feedback on their experiences of our embedded creative access. We have done this in previous projects but it was particularly useful to have someone outside of Stopgap and not involved in dance leading on collecting the responses. The research team gave us the space to create the show we wanted to which organically came out of the process. The research is still ongoing as the final paper is yet to be released and features much of the dancers and access consultants interviews during the process of Lived Fiction. 

    The cast is a combination of disabled and non disabled performers, how do you go about casting your shows?

    Many different ways. We hold an audition or sometimes we will meet someone through a workshop we deliver. Sometimes people contact us to intern or observe us. Either way we like to get to know people first, so will often offer them a smaller part initially before inviting them to become a full time member with the company. 

    The show has live on stage audio captions as well as projections, why is that and how do you make sure all the technical elements balance with the choreography?

    The show has live audio description and prepared creative captions. All the collaborators were a part of a long process with myself, our access artist and the dancers. We purposefully work with collaborators who are sensitive to the work’s progression and who try hard not to overwhelm the choreography. We have kept the stage quite bare, and we have created choreography that has space (most of the time) for the other elements to be experienced. The whole process has been all about finding a balance between the many components that make up Lived Fiction. 

    Stopgap is around 30 years old now, how has dance changed over the years in terms of inclusivity from when the company began?

    In the last two years it feels as if we have made a huge leap forward or that the industry has woken up and have decided they do want to find out more about what Stopgap and Inclusive culture has to offer.  Organisations and their leaders are trying to dismantle barriers and I hope are listening to people with lived experience of those barriers. However with cuts to arts funding and the cost of living crisis it also feels like people can still use this as an excuse not to dismantle barriers. As the dance industry in the UK becomes more supportive, everyday living such as transport, accommodation when touring, equipment availability is just getting worse. 

    Twenty Five years on and we are still struggling with regular accessible space and getting to work but we have had an uplift from the Arts Council our central  funder which means we can find the time and resources to solve these challenges. 

    Artistically it is clear we have changed.  We finally realised we don’t need to imitate our non disabled peers and we have been making our own devised work for the last ten years. By creating with Disabled, Deaf, non disabled and Neuro divergent artists our work is multifaceted, unique and powerful. We are no longer an inclusive company trying to fit into an non inclusive industry. 

    What are your main hopes for the future of dance?

    That we learn to respect differences and actively pursue diversity. That we prepare for change and don’t assume because we have had the privilege of making work or performing that we will always have that. That we can remind ourselves that the dance industry is an ecology that will continue to grow after we are gone, so we can feed that ecology, learn from others and support the next generation of dance graduates. 

    In Conversation with: Sean Gandini

    Juggling supremos Gandini Juggling bring the spirit of Pina Bausch and the heady scent of apples to the Peacock Theatre on 31 May and 1 June with their signature work Smashed, directed by Sean Gandini – the first time the show will have been seen in London for seven years. Check it out here.

    Summer 2024 looks like a busy time for the Gandinis in the UK, with your signature work Smashed at the Peacock Theatre, London on 31 May and 1 June then a solo show at the Edinburgh Fringe. Smashed is your tribute to the iconic choreographer Pina Bausch. – can you tell us briefly what we can expect to see?

      These two shows offer very different perspectives on juggling but they both celebrate the possibilities of using juggling skill as vibrant performance. One can expect hypnotic patterns, funny scenes, choreography and thought-provoking material. 

      What in particular inspired you about her work? 

      Pina Bausch was ahead of the game. Her performances take the audience to a different rhythm of watching. They also have a way of letting the audience decide what is going on, often leaving a moral ambiguity in what is seen which we like. We also love her parades! 

        Smashed has been one of your most successful and popular shows which has been widely seen around the world since its creation in 2010. Have there been any performances or locations which particularly stand out for you?

        Yes! We performed Smashed for the Festival d’Automne in Paris and a bunch of ex-Pina dancers came and were very generous. We then had the delightful Domique Merci help with a special one off we performed for the Mime Festival 40th Anniversary. But there have been many many special ones. 

          You have incorporated a number of different dance forms into your shows, how did you decide to move towards incorporating dance into your vision of theatre and juggling? 

            We get excited by the malleability of juggling and love seeing how it elegantly intertwines with so many forms. Sometimes you realise that an idea has been on your mind for a number of years and it’s time to try it out. We are currently really enjoying researching magic and juggling. 

            You and fellow Gandini Juggling director and wife Kati Ylä-Hokkala have worked together for over 30 years. How and where did you meet and what are the highlights of your journey together?

            We met in Covent Garden where i was doing street shows and Kati had just retired from Rhythmic Gymnastics. We immediately felt a spark both creatively and romantically….There have been many highlights: recently, being on stage together for Akhnaten at the Metropolitan Opera House (with English National Opera) and Sadler’s Wells for LIFE, our show with Alexander Whitley and our tribute to Merce Cunningham.

              How do you and Kati share your roles as joint directors of Gandini Juggling, both creatively and managerially? Where do you overlap and where do you have your own roles?

                We have found a balance over the years. It has got easier. When we pass rings Kati is super precise but doesn’t like throws which veer off, I am in the opposite camp, I am less precise but I can catch many things…it seems a metaphor from LIFE…

                In Conversation with: Tendai Humphrey Sitima

                Two brothers reunite to honour their sibling’s life at a celebration of remembrance. As they begin to explore letting go, they are forced to confront their shared past and long-standing estrangement.  

                Following the sell-out run of SAMSKARA (The Yard), this brand-new work by Lanre Malaolu explores the challenge of forgiving yourself for a lifetime of suppressed emotion, while celebrating the profound bond of brotherhood and the resilience that can be found in joy.  

                A powerful fusion of movement, song, and text, Now, I See is an exploration of identity, forgiveness and nature’s visceral power to heal.  

                Now, I See is the second instalment in Lanre’s trilogy that excavates and celebrates the truth of being a Black man in contemporary Britain. Tendai Humphrey Sitima stars in Now, I See coming to Stratford East on the 10th May. Check it out here!

                1. How did you get involved with Now, I See?

                I got a very excited email from my agent. She loved Lanre’s previous Samskara and insisted that I read the script. I read the script and fell in love, knowing that the piece would challenge and push me into an exciting and terrifying new world as an artist. I auditioned and promised Lanre that with his trust, patience and guidance, I would happily leap out of my comfort zone to tell this story. 

                2. What’s the show about?

                Fundamentally, the show is about love, healing and connection. Three brothers separated by time, pain, misunderstanding are bought together in grief to try and repair, see each other, see themselves forgive and live in love. 

                3. Who do you play?

                I play Adeyeye one of the brothers whose passing acts as the catalyst for the brothers seeking each other again. 

                4. What drew you to work on this production?

                The script.

                5. How have you been preparing for the role?

                Adeyeye straddles worlds, a lot of his language is movement. I’ve been spending a lot of time moving, listening to my body and trying to allow everyday feeling and impulses to sit in my body, so I can really start to understand and feel what it is to speak through the body. 

                6. You’ve had a really varied career, did you set out to do that or did it just play out that way? Do the different experiences compliment each other in your work?

                I didn’t I just worked very hard on the things I loved doing and eventually they started to look like a career. They do complement each other composing music, improvising acting all feel like different extensions of the same thing. Reacting, making offers and playing. Working well with others. It’s all colouring, just using different paints! 

                7. If you had a piece of advice for your younger self, what would it be?

                Work hard, trust yourself do not judge yourself. You belong, prove it.

                In Conversation with Sally Cheng

                We sat down with Sally Cheng who is in the cast of Twelfth Night at Regent’s Park Open Air Theatre.

                TWELFTH NIGHT

                3 May – 8 June 2024

                Age Recommend: 12+

                Tickets from: £15

                https://openairtheatre.com/production/twelfth-night-or-what-you-will

                1. How did you get involved with Twelfth Night at Regent’s Park Open Air Theatre?

                I was lucky enough to audition for the play back in January. I’ve never worked with any of the cast or creative team before so its a lovely experience being in a room with a new set of people with exciting new ideas and takes on the play. I feel very lucky!

                2. What are the defining features of this particular production?

                Owen Horsley, the director, has chosen to set the play in one place-a cafe by the ocean, and without scene changes. This really allows for the interconnectedess of character relationships and dynamic shifts in scenes to shine through. His concept and direction has focused very much on looking at this classic Shakespeare play through a queer lens. It’s a celebration of queerness and difference.

                3. Who do you play? Do you identify with them personally?

                In this production I am an actor musician and play a part called Querelle. I absolutely love being in the band with such brilliantly talented musicians supporting some fantastic singers and actors. We’re performing some beautiful original music composed by Sam Kenyon especially for this production. The band are very much a ‘house band’ for the cafe but also part of Orsino’s court so it’s been integral and really interesting in the process to understand what music means to each of the characters and it’s connection to the space.

                4. How have you been preparing for the role?

                Practicing lots of violin and learning the drums mostly. But I have also looked at queer films, TV shows and books to try to really engross myself in the world in which we are setting our production. We have been in rehearsal for five weeks-working every day on text and music. It’s been an enriching and exciting process.

                5. If you had a piece of advice for your younger self, what would it be?

                Be kind, work hard and be patient, it’s a tough career but when it’s worth it it’s totally worth it. You meet some of the kindest and most creative people.

                6. Why should audiences come and see Twelfth Night?

                It’s a production with loads of heart, that celebrates queerness and difference, whilst using Shakespeare’s beautiful, robust language to explore joy, grief and love.

                In Conversation with Joe O’Curneen

                We sat down with co-director Joe O’Curneen who brings The Opera Locos to the Peacock Theatre, Sadler’s Wells from 8-11th May.

                1. What is the show about? 

                The Opera Locos is a musical comedy featuring some of the world’s most famous arias, combined with a number of pop and rock hits from Whitney Houston to Mika. It’s a story about a troupe of five eccentric performers in search of love and acclaim, each character representing one of the five main voice types: tenor, mezzo, soprano, baritone and contratenor. Throughout the show they each reveal their hidden passions that will bring unpredictable and comedic consequences.

                2. What can audience expect?

                A truly unique experience. Physical theatre meets opera, meets comedy, meets Puccini, meets pop. One of a kind. Plus, no language barrier. It’s perfect for an international audience.

                3. What is different about the show?

                This is opera without the boring bits. An undeniably operatic experience, condensed, dynamic, fast pace and at times truly moving. Our aim with The Opera Locos was to merge our style of comic theatre with the likes of Puccini, Mozart and Bizet, adding a touch of pop and rock to give the show that added punch.

                3. Are you excited about bringing it to the Peacock?

                Well of course! The Peacock Theatre is a magnificent venue, and performing in the heart of London has always been a lifelong aspiration for the entire company.

                4. Anything else you want to add?

                The experience of merging physical comedy with opera has worked so well. The beauty and power of the arias are preserved and felt intensely, even in a comedic context. It works wonderfully with even the most demanding audiences: experts, melomaniacs, and … children.

                Tickets can be bought here.

                In Conversation with: Jacob Grunberger

                Inspired by a book of letters and stories left to him by his late father, titled ‘For Jacob’, Stop Trying To Look At My D**k! is an autobiographical dark comedy of Jacob Grunberger’s adolescence. Through anecdotes and rap music, Jacob tells the story of the sudden death of his Jewish father when he was a child and a peripatetic childhood through Scotland and Essex as he and his mother struggled to keep afloat. Exploring challenges and encounters with drugs and mental darkness as an adult student, Jacob discusses how conversations around his father’s death have always taken place in a context that he hasn’t designed. As a reflection of life, Jacob creates a space to honor his father and his experience of grief, identity, and vulnerability.

                Stop Trying to Look at My D**k is at the Canal Café Theatre from 13th May – 1st June. For more info and tickets go to https://canalcafetheatre.com/our-shows/dk/

                Hey Jacob! Can you tell us a bit about you and your work as an actor and writer?

                Of course, so my name is Jacob Grunberger I’m 24 years old and I was born and raised in London. I have been acting since I was about seven, I used to do Stagecoach, Sylvia Young and all sorts of theatre camps growing up. Then as I got older I did National Youth Theatre and the more and more performing I did I realised I really want to do this for the rest of my life. 

                Writing for theatre is something I found later on, I had previously shrugged off any interest in writing for some reason even though I always enjoyed devising and writing raps but I hadn’t made the connection. It wasn’t until I started Mountview for our creative project we could write and perform anything we wanted I decided to give writing a go and realised that I really enjoyed it and that’s where this piece comes from. 

                Tell us about the title of the show, what does it mean and why you have you chosen to title your play Stop Trying To Look At My D**k!?

                Ah yes the title, bring your grandma! But no the title is a metaphor for being vulnerable and about being feeling exposed in front of an audience. I won’t give too much away because it is an important part of the piece but it comes up as a recurring theme. If you do want to find out more about the title though you should definitely grab yourself and your gran a ticket.

                In discussing the conversations surrounding your father’s death, you mention they often take place in a context you haven’t designed. Can you elaborate on what you mean by this?

                Yeah sure, my dad died when I was very young, I was only four years old turning five. This obviously means that my memories of him are pretty limited. This creates a strange dynamic where people who have had even brief encounters with him are more qualified to talk about him than I am, even though nobody has felt his absence more than I have. When people have these conversations about him I feel like my contribution is an ad-lib while others are doing double disc albums about my own grief, that’s what I mean about creating my own context to talk about him. 

                Your play creates a space to honour your father’s memory. How do you balance the personal nature of this tribute?

                The piece is incredibly personal of course but there are several universal themes that I believe it explores. Grief is something we all experience and have to navigate, this performance is my way of navigating it twenty years on.

                Tell us about the inclusion of hip-hop music in the show, what does this look like?

                As I said before my first experience with writing was writing raps. I grew up listening to hip hop and going to see my favourite artists when they were in the UK, I mostly listen to American stuff but a lot of the rap that I perform in this show is inspired by British artists- Mike Skinner, being the main one. I wanted to pay homage to the UK and my favourite parts of the gritty British sound.

                What’s your favourite rap artist or song?

                That’s impossible, there are too many songs and artists that I love but I will tell you the song that I listen to before I go on stage and its ‘Dreams and Nightmares’ by Meek Mill, I am not a ritualistic guy particularly but that’s become one of the few that I have. 

                What do you hope audiences take away from experiencing your play?

                That you don’t have to put on a show, for anyone.

                In Conversation with: Paulus The Cabaret Geek

                Written and performed by the star of BBC1’s All Together Now, Paulus The Cabaret Geek, with accompanist Michael Roulston and directed Sarah-Louise Young, Looking For Me Friend: The Music of Victoria Wood is a funny and touching musical tribute to a much-loved and sorely missed national treasure.

                It’s a whistle-stop tour of some of Victoria’s best-loved songs, including the iconic ‘Ballad of Barry & Freda’ (Let’s Do It) and the classic ‘It Would Never Have Worked’. As well as a celebration for fans of Victoria, it is also the ultimate beginner’s guide for those who have yet to discover her. In telling Victoria’s story, Paulus unfolds his own: a relatable story of a 1970s childhood, a life upon which Victoria made a huge impact, and what it really means to find your tribe. We sit down with Paulus to discuss his show. Looking for Me Friend is next in London on Sun 2 June 2024 at Crazy Coqs and then on tour across the UK. Buy tickets here.

                What can audiences expect when they come to see the show?

                Mostly it’s a night of nostalgia, fun, laughs and 21 of Victoria Wood’s songs in a whistle-stop tour around her career. Of course, The Ballad of Barry and Freda (Let’s Do It) is in there but she registered 200 songs in total with the Performing Rights Society, so there’s lots to choose from. There are some poignant songs, there are ones about childhood, ones about old age and ones that she wrote in the 70s about politics which seem like she wrote them yesterday, astonishingly. The relevance is really quite striking. What I also find really fascinating, along with many things about Victoria, is that there’s not a single co-writer for lyrics or music.

                You’ve also got pianist Michael Roulston on stage with you. What does he bring to the mix?

                I share him with Fascinating Aïda. They’re touring the country at the moment as well, so Michael’s busy with them a lot of the time and then he gets to come and slum it in small venues with me. We’re proving once again that it takes two men to do the job of one woman, because I couldn’t do this show on my own. He’s like Julie Walters to my Victoria Wood in many ways and there’s a lot of what I call ‘Victoria Wood tennis’, where I say a word or a line and he throws back the bon mot or catchphrase that is the next bit. And sometimes the audience get to throw it back instead. But I’m not impersonating Victoria and I don’t think anyone would want me to. It’s not a tribute act per se, it’s a celebration of someone I really loved and miss.

                Can you recall when you first encountered Victoria’s comedy genius?

                I was around ten and would have been watching As Seen on TV with my mum and my sister. My mum would have been 45 and my sister would have been 18, but generationally Victoria made all of us laugh, which I think is a really rare quality. I didn’t understand everything she was saying but she looked and sounded funny, and there was a musicality to her phrasing and word choices that I immediately latched onto. 

                Do you think Victoria’s look was revolutionary at the time?

                I do, yes. If you look at her stand-up routines from As Seen on TV, she was there in a tie and a big, boxy, man’s jacket, jeans probably and trainers. I guess if she was on TV now, we’d assume that she was trans or at least a lesbian and there would be a whole hoo-ha about her appearance. But in 1985 she just showed up, said ‘My name’s Victoria and this is what I look like’ and nobody ever questioned it. Watching her choosing to be original and unusual must have had a big impact on me as a gay man. People talk about her being a genius a lot and I don’t disagree with them. She was an extremely hard-working, very smart person but she didn’t ever bang on about stuff. She just placed things in front of us like body positivity or about being an outlier in society but still knowing that you have a right to belong. These things were key to her work.

                How would you sum up your love and affection for Victoria?

                I would describe it as obsessional at this stage! I love her and I love her most because she made my mum laugh. Mum worked hard and had her share of problems, so to watch her laughing so much that she was crying was wonderful. Whether it was in our front room or us going to see her at the Royal Albert Hall when I was a teenager, it was great to see how much joy she gave my mother. So this is all just a way of saying thank you to Victoria. 

                Did you ever get to meet Victoria?

                No and I didn’t really want to, to be honest with you. If I’d wanted to I could have met her because I know people that have worked with her. I saw her live about nine times but I never wanted to go backstage. I never wanted to hang out for an autograph because I knew she was private. I was also really worried I’d be disappointed so I deliberately didn’t go backstage because it’s the work that I admire. I didn’t need to know anything about her children or what colour her curtains were to know what a genius she was. When she died in 2016 I was devastated. We lost so many people that year, like Prince, David Bowie and Alan Rickman. But for Vic fans like me across the country hers was certainly the heaviest of losses.

                Do you think Victoria was sometimes overlooked as a songwriter?

                Yes and that’s why I wanted to make this show because there’s a spotlight often on her other work, whether that be because she won a BAFTA award for Housewife, 49 or that we have all watched and celebrated Acorn Antiques and the Two Soups sketch many times. I think comparatively, given what a big part of her career music was, it really was rather overlooked. The songs seem simple. They seem very straightforward but, as Michael would attest, they’re not. They’re very complicated things. I’m lucky that I don’t have to sing them and play them because doing one or the other is enough of a job, quite frankly.

                You’re working with Sarah-Louise Young as your director. How is it collaborating with her?

                She’s my best friend and she’s wonderful. She’s had enormous success with her shows about Julie Andrews and Kate Bush and she’s been so generous, not just as a director and helping us to decide which of those 200 to include but also in helping me to navigate being a promoter and producer as well. I book the tour and produce the show myself and she’s been generous with all of her knowledge in that regard too.

                What attracted you to cabaret as a career?

                I’m not very good at repeating things. Funnily enough, I think I’ve performed this show 130-ish times now but that’s very unusual for me. I was in Sweeney Todd for a month once and I’ve done panto for a month too, but I don’t do long runs of musicals or anything like that because it bores me. With cabaret, I love the lack of fourth wall and being able to speak to the here and now of what’s going on in the world.

                What have been your favourite jobs over the years?

                I did a TV programme called All Together Now with Geri from the Spice Girls and Rob Beckett a few years ago where I was the hard-to-impress judge on a talent show. That was very funny, being the baddie on Saturday night TV on BBC One. We did two series and a celebrity Christmas special, and it was weird getting noticed by taxi drivers and abused by people on the street. Another job I loved was when I workshopped the Boy George musical Taboo and got to develop the role of Philip Salon.

                You’ve been doing Looking For Me Friend five years now. What reaction have you had from fans?

                It’s such a joy. We’ve met people who went to primary school with Victoria. We’ve met people who were taught by her mother, who was a teacher. We’ve met people who were in As Seen on TV, Pat and Margaret or dinnerladies who have been so kind, as has Mark Gatiss from The League of Gentlemen. She was in their movie and they’re huge Victoria Wood fans. After one show this man came up to me who must’ve been in his early thirties and another time this woman in her late seventies came up to me. They both clearly identified as queer and they both said the same sentence, which was ‘You’ve just told my life story on stage’. But the show isn’t necessarily about being gay. It can be about being too spotty or fat or black or anything that makes you Other, anything that makes you an outlier in life. She was a place of warmth, a place of fun and a place that said: ‘You can hang out here and you’re one of us. The weirder, the lumpier and the pongier, the better.’

                Are there any stops on the tour that you are especially looking forward to?

                I like it whenever we go somewhere that is significant to Victoria or her coterie. So Julie Waters is from Smethwick and we’re going there in June. Sometimes it’s just because they’re funny place names because, like Victoria, I do enjoy a funny place name. The day we get to go to Ecclefechan, I’ll be made up. But I enjoy wherever we end up playing [laughs] especially if I get to shift some merch. Fans can buy stuff like tea towels, aprons, tote bags and oven gloves featuring words and phrases associated with Vic. I’m proud to say that in Bury, where she grew up, they’ve included the design as part of their permanent Victoria Wood collection at Bury Art Museum.

                In Conversation with: Nkenna Akunna

                tiata fahodzi, the UK’s leading British African heritage contemporary touring theatre company, presents the London Premiere of cheeky little brown by Papatango Prize-winning playwright Nkenna Akunna – coming to Theatre Royal Stratford East, Tuesday 16 – Saturday 20 April 2024. 

                Part musical, part drama, cheeky little brown is a profound,  surreal and comic exploration of friendship, queer love, and heartbreak studded with snappy comedic intrigue and glittering prose. A solo show starring Tiajna Amayo as Lady – a determined, sharp-tongued charmer who loves her best friend Gemma and a good night out – cheeky little brown explores a coming-of-age story that examines a friendship between two Black women on diverging paths of self-love and acceptance. 

                How would you describe cheeky little brown?

                It’s a coming of age story with a complicated friendship breakup at its centre. It’s also a love letter to a home [city] that doesn’t really exist anymore. 

                cheeky little brown toured in Autumn, how does it feel to now bring the show to London for the first time?

                It’s coming home! It feels good, and I love that it’s coming to Stratford. The area gets a mention when the protagonist Lady remembers going to a Choice FM Junior Jam there. Clearly it’s meant to be.  

                The show features original songs, what can you tell us about the songs and the musicality of the show?

                They’re very inspired by early/mid 2000s indie sleaze. I can’t say I know all the songs but I loved Kate Nash growing up. Foundations and Merry Happy are still two of my favourite songs. There’s also a garage-inspired tune in there. I’d say musically, it’s a bit rude, audacious, tongue-in-cheek, and reminiscent of childhood watching Skins.  

                How has it felt to explore a relationship on stage between two women on such emotionally diverging paths?

                Extremely rich and fulfilling. Hard in the best way. It’s normal that people change, though when watching the show, it’s easy to paint one or the other as the villain. I think they both have a lot of feelings, and neither really has the tools to manage them all just yet. 

                What do you hope audiences will take away from the show?

                We’re all one trauma away from another coming of age. Ha. No but seriously, humans are messy and heartbreak is hard but laughing really helps. 

                What does tiata fahodzi’s work and history mean to you as a creative?

                It means a lot to be working with a theatre company whose mission is to champion Black British storytelling. Many artists who’ve come through tf paved the way for my own existence in UK theatre right now. That my debut was brought to the stage by tiata fahodzi is something I’ll always hold dear.

                In Conversation with: Natasha Bain

                We sat down with Natasha Bain, playing Agathe Uwilingiyimana.

                Marking 30 years since the 1994 genocide against Tutsi people in Rwanda, Agathe tells the true story of the extraordinary woman who became Rwanda’s head of state for less than a day. Created through extensive research including first-hand accounts from witnesses and survivors of the genocide, Angela J. Davis’s new play explores the life of a Chemistry professor and advocate for women and girls’ education, Agathe Uwilingiyimana.

                What aspects of Agathe Uwilingiyimana’s character resonate with you personally?

                Agathe’s moral judgements are the characteristics that resonate with me on a personal level. Her sense of justice,  fairness and her profound resilience. No doubt bolstered by her Catholic faith. 

                Agathe’s story involves immense bravery and resilience in the face of overwhelming adversity. How do you prepare emotionally to embody such a complex and courageous figure?

                I think the way in to such a character who embodies such bravery and resilience is to understand why she behaved in that way. To investigate her Catholic faith, and then try to inhabit that moral code and imagine what it would be like to be a person whose strength is not theirs alone but supported by God. The emotional connection comes more from empathy for her choices. 

                How do you work to ensure her voice and story are given the prominence they deserve in your performance?

                The writer is the one who brings the story to the page. I take those words and try to give the best and most honest performance I can. 

                Can you share any insights into the physical and vocal aspects of embodying Agathe on stage?

                I have not attempted to mimic Agathe in any way. There is not enough documented evidence of either her voice or her image to accurately portray her and regardless, our tones of voice is very different, our physicalities are different. I would say that my performance is more suggestive of the energy which I think best inhabits her spirit. 

                How do you approach the responsibility of portraying a real-life figure, especially one so deeply connected to a tragic chapter in history?

                Of course I’ve researched the recent history of Rwanda and try to understand all the elements that led to the specific event our play AGATHE portrays. In particular, the play focuses on the last few hours and days of Agathe’s life. However, there has been some artistic licence taken with the story that is important to mention. There is a responsibility with every role you play. But unless you are recreating the person’s physical likeness, and vocal intonations which we do not do with any of these real characters we are playing, you are seeking to communicate the heart, the facts, and the spirit of the piece. 

                In what ways has preparing for and performing this role deepened your understanding of the Rwandan genocide and its impact on individuals like Agathe?

                It has deepened my knowledge of Agathe Uwilingiyimana. I had no previous knowledge of Agathe’s significance in Rwanda’s history. It has also enlightened me to many of the other essential figures in the Rwandan genocide and the sacrifices these individuals made to save lives. 

                Agathe’s leadership during a time of crisis showcased her strength and resilience. If Agathe were to give advice to young leaders facing challenges today, what words of wisdom do you think she would offer?

                Let’s be honest, there are few ‘young leaders’ in our country. She’d be best to offer advice to the leaders who control the levers of power now. Most are old enough to do better! Perhaps she’d say something like ‘Do unto others as you would have done unto you.’ ‘Speak out against hate, stand for peace, justice and equality for all and do not falter in the face of your enemies, even though they seek to destroy you.’ 

                What message or takeaway do you hope audiences will receive from the play?

                I will leave that to the audience to decide. From my perspective,  there isn’t one message in this play. There is only the life of an extremely courageous woman, making a choice to save those she loved and trying to do the right thing for humanity. I ask for more like her in the world please!

                Agathe will play at Playground Theatre from 17th April – 4th May. Tickets here: https://www.theplaygroundtheatre.org.uk/projects/agathe-by-angela-davis

                In Conversation with: Charlotte Mclean

                After critical acclaim for her eruptive dance show And at the 2022 Edinburgh Festival Fringe, contemporary experimental dance-artist Charlotte Mclean returns to direct Futuristic Folktales for an International Tour, April 5 – 27.

                Futuristic Folktales tells the momentous story of the first womb – an environment where life and death intimately coexist. Humbly attempting to unify humanity through the infinite narrative of birth, the show experiments with contemporary, breaking, and Scottish Highland dance to probe questions of tradition, preservation, myth, and identity. 

                Charlotte Mclean’s practice amalgamates improvisation, voice work, imagination, self-celebration, joy, and radical listening. Her choreographic work has been carved from her childhood in Arbroath, Scotland, her training at Scottish Dance Theatre and her BA at London Contemporary Dance School. 

                She currently works across Scotland, London and Bern freelancing for various companies (including Eva Recacha and Barrowland Ballet) as well as co-founding movement bands BADBODYCHAOSCODE and Die Berner Band. The bands have influenced a lot of Charlotte’s practice and have performed at the V&A London and TANZhAUS Bern amongst others. Charlotte’s work engages in the political: advocating for body autonomy, reproductive justice, and freedom.

                Futuristic Folktales has its UK premier at The Place, London on Thursday 18 April. Check it out here.

                Futuristic Folktales explores the first ever womb. How would you describe the show to audiences who haven’t seen your work before? 

                Futuristic Folktales is a mix of theatre, contemporary dance and Scottish Highland dancing. There are two performers on stage, both with different backgrounds in dance, Astro is a break dancer and Orrow trained in contemporary. Throughout the show, both share the story of the first womb with the audience, inviting them to experience the different worlds inside the work. We don’t know the story of the first womb and we don’t pretend to know but we imagine this creation narrative and what the future may be. What folktales will our children tell of the year 2024?

                Are you excited to be taking Futuristic Folktales on tour internationally after the success of your past work And at the 2022 Edinburgh Festival Fringe? 

                Absolutely. It’s very humbling to be able to share this work throughout the UK and Switzerland. I have a close connection to all performance locations. I first studied at Dundee and Angus College, where we will host our preview performance at The Space in Dundee, before heading down London Contemporary Dance School. We will perform at The Place in London which is the theatre connected to the school, so it’s feels great to have the commission and support from them. We’ll also perform at Tojo Theatre in Bern, which is where I have performed the most since graduating in 2017. I began working for a dance theatre company in Bern and it’s been important to bring my own work to the city of Bern, a place I got stuck in during COVID and have worked in for so long now. We’ll also be touring to Tramway and this is a new connection – we’re excited by this and look forward to meeting the Glasgow audiences at the end of the tour before heading to the fringe at Dance Base in August.

                Futuristic Folktales is described as a ‘collaboration-driven’ show – how does the creative team speak to this? 

                Since 2022, we have worked with many different artists to research the show. It’s been important to gain different perspectives on the themes of the work, from many different humans, as essentially it’s about the hope we have for the future. The lighting, sound, text, dramaturgy and costume all play an equally important role as the choreography. I like to imagine all of these elements as narrators of the show too, all working together to share the story of the first womb. 

                Music plays a really important part in the show’s emotional and physical landscape. What can audiences expect in this respect?

                The sound composed by Malin Lewis creates a vast, embodied, ethereal space in the space. The bagpipe has been another one of our imagined wombs. This guttural, visceral sound will definitely be a highlight of the show. 

                Futuristic Folktales is set to perform at the Edinburgh Festival Fringe 2024. Are you looking forward to sharing this work with international audiences in the summer? 

                Of course, I grew up going to the fringe every year and worked at Dance Base as an usher during the summers when I studied dance. Doing this job, I was able to watch lots of dance theatre shows for free & experience them more than once. This definitely inspired me to make my own work. The summer I watched Pat Kinevane from Fishamble perform Underneath over 15 times was definitely the summer I went back to my studies and started creating And. I can’t wait to bring Futuristic Folktales to the fringe. It will be strange not performing in it myself but I trust the performers and can’t wait for the everyday surprises the fringe throws at you!

                Do you see the story of Futuristic Folktales developing in years to come?

                I think the crux of the story will always stay the same, but I’m looking forward to having different constellations of performers inside the work. Throughout the research, it was vital to have so many voices in the creation and I’m sure the performers now will be happy and hopefully honoured to share their scores, passing down the work like a folktale itself.