We sat down for an exclusive interview with actor Lottie Walker who stars as PL Travers in Clare Norburns’ Practically Imperfect – a new surreal comedy with music pits writer PL Travers against her own creation, Mary Poppins.
This show runs from 10-15th February at OSO Arts Centre, Barnes – Tickets here
PL Travers is famously private, sharp-witted, and resistant to sentimentality. What did you find most surprising or revealing about her once you began living inside her on stage?
I’m finding Pamela fascinating. (I hope she’d not mind me using her first name, by the way). There’s no doubt that she was a formidable woman and I can relate to her lack of sentimentality – I don’t do all that touchy-feely stuff either. I’d have hated to have been on the receiving end of her sharp tongue. All of which makes her seem an unattractive character, but I’ve developed a bit of a soft spot for her. I’m in awe of how she completely reinvented herself to the extent that she appears to have genuinely believed in the alternative version of herself. She never stopped wanting to be loved but just didn’t understand how to reciprocate. I think her innate sadness is what’s surprised me most.
The play turns Mary Poppins into both a character and a kind of interrogator. How did that dynamic shape your performance, knowing your scene partner represents Travers’ own creation pushing back?
It’s a real battle of wills with neither character willing to give in; I see Mary as Travers’s conscience and there’s a real feeling of being “hoist by her own petard”. Joanna Brown who is playing Mary does a great line in cool authority and has a real no nonsense approach to the role, which is a great foil to Pamela’s imperious nature. She manages to instil a huge amount of warmth in the character too; a lot of the “Pamela baiting” is very tongue in cheek; I like to think of our sparring as that scene in the Mary Poppins movie where the reflection in the mirror answers back!
Travers is often portrayed as difficult or acerbic, yet this play seems interested in her vulnerabilities and contradictions. How did you balance her steeliness with the emotional fractures beneath it?
I’m still finding my way, to be honest and am not sure I’ll ever resolve this, despite having a good understanding of how I think she must have felt. Travers was a mass of contradictions and I want to show all sides of her. I’m being helped greatly by the script. Clare Norburn has injected so much humour into the play that it’s easy to make Travers likeable and I do genuinely want the audience to be on her side. The play makes it clear that she was emotionally damaged at a young age and spent a lifetime trying to heal herself. Her story is something I can relate to; we both lost a parent at an early age (she was 7, I was 8) and the emotional armour one dons in this situation is never quite enough to protect us from the fallout of ongoing failed relationships, whether it be romantic, familial or friends and acquaintances. But that armour is essential to one’s survival even though it also acts as a barrier to true feelings.
Much of the tension comes from a battle over who controls the story. As an actor, did that resonate with your own experience of interpretation, authorship, or being shaped by other people’s narratives?
100%! I’m no writer and am the first to admit that I have limited capacity for imagination but I do like to think beyond any piece I’m working on and when I’m playing real rather than fictional people I do as much research as possible, which means that – to the chagrin of most authors and directors – I’ve always got an opinion. With some of my past work I’ve been much more involved with offering “helpful hints” to the writers from the beginning of the creative process. It has been so helpful for me NOT to have had similar input with this piece as I’m living the battle of not being in control every day, which is just how Travers feels when Mary Poppins takes her in directions she’d rather not travel. What has been good for me is that Clare Norburn and our director, Nicholas Renton have also researched everything to within an inch of its life and there’s been a healthy exchange of traffic of articles, videos and images, so even though I’m not in control I feel as though I’m contributing in a tiny way. Poor Pamela spends most of the play fighting against the common sense and emotional intelligence of her creation. She hates not being in control. So do I!
Music plays a playful yet pointed role in the show, especially with songs that Travers supposedly preferred over Disney’s vision. How did the music influence the rhythm and emotional temperature of your performance?
I’ve spent some considerable time thinking about the music and trying to imagine the movie with Travers’ choice of music. In short I think it would have been a disaster! What is really telling is that in its 80 year history Desert Island Discs has had only one guest to choose all spoken word and no music tracks at all and that person was PL Travers. She didn’t think music important and didn’t understand it. The music she apparently wanted for the Mary Poppins film was all retrospective imagery of her youth (Greensleeves was on the list, as were Music Hall songs such as Lily of Laguna and Ta Ra Ra Da Boom De Ay; did any of these make the cut for “Practically Imperfect”? see the show to find out! Steve Edis who has supervised the music for the show is a genius! He’s found exactly the right music to illustrate the play’s themes without drowning the narrative and whilst honouring Travers’ legacy. My background includes a lot of Victorian and Edwardian Music Hall and some of my favourites are in the show, but there are also songs that I’ve not come across before; I have to confess to being somewhat emotionally overcome by the music in some places. And highly irritated by it in others – perhaps I’ve morphed into Pamela without realising…
This production invites the audience to reconsider a woman who has long been flattened by cultural myth. What do you hope people walk away understanding differently about PL Travers or about the cost of creating something beloved by the world?
PL Travers was not the greatest communicator. She was brusque, rude even, and found it difficult to engage with people on anything other than her own terms. This much is well documented, but I hope that people will take away from this play the fact that despite being all those things she was also a vulnerable human being who was a victim of her past. I love that Mary Poppins is not a gentle and soft and cuddly character but carries with her a spoonful of common sense and acerbic wit. That is all Travers, and I like to think that she gave her creation the personality that she thought she had herself. She was misunderstood for her entire life and continually searching for belonging, love and happiness. Had she listened to Mary Poppins’ advice she might have had a happier life. Robert Burns’ famous quote
“O, wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as others see us!
It wad frae monie a blunder free us,
An’ foolish notion.”
Could have been written for PL Travers. Which brings us back to that mirror in the movie!









